Tuesday, February 05, 2008

Imputation study by Mr Pounds 2

Eternal Double Imputation, 2 A Short Study When did Elohem Partake of Both Good and Evil? Gen.22 (3:23) And {1} God said, Behold, Adam is become as one of us, to know good and evil, and now lest at any time he stretch forth his hand, and take of the tree of life and eat, and so he shall live forever––{1) Alex. +the Lord} LXX.22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: AV.After the fall of Adam and Eve, the Lord God drove them out of the Garden and set up the Cherubs and the flaming sword to preserve the way unto the Tree of Life. Before doing this Elohem stated that Adam, after sinning had become as the Beings in Elohem, the Holy Trinity, knowing good and evil. I would highly recommend S E Pierce’s Messages on the Pentateuch for a very good summation of these events. These can be found on Brother Leroy Rhodes’ church site. The statements show that Elohem did know both good and evil. Important questions may be:
How did Elohem know good and evil, by direct, personal experience or by observation?
How did the Three Beings in Elohem know good and evil, by union with the God Man, or in their actual Beings?
When did Elohem know good and evil? I will invert these questions and suggest some answers. I hope the dear ministering brethren will help me with these questions and answers.
When did Elohem know good and evil? In our generation observations it seems obvious that Elohem did know both good and evil before Adam did. By sinning, Adam knew both good and evil by experience. He certainly knew good while in the innocent state and he certainly knew evil by his actual sin against God. I do not find revealed in Genesis when Elohem did experience any act that would result in His knowing good and evil by experience. However, there are other statements throughout the Sacred Scriptures that can help in this matter.
The Fall of Lucifer Is there any way that Elohem did experience knowing good and evil by the fall of Lucifer? While this event did involve Elohem’s actions in casting down Lucifer, Elohem did not undergo any experimental knowledge of good and evil by this event. The same is true of Elohem’s dealings with the angels who kept not their first estate and other such falls in the spiritual world. The Slaying of the Lamb of God In my opinion when Jesus Christ, as the Lamb of God, became slain by decree and in a decreed experience, that is when Elohem came to know both Good and Evil. What I have just said opens the doors to many involved question. I must wait to deal with some of those questions until my final study on this subject.
Distinguishing between Elohem’s Inheritant Divine Knowledge and His Accumulative KnowledgeInvolved here is Elohem’s inheritant knowledge arising from His divine nature, which is perfect, complete and not accumulative. By this I mean that Elohem experienced both good and evil in a knowledge and experience not inheritant from His divine nature. By this knowledge and experience He came to know both good and evil. I will say this briefly and pass on until later, this knowledge is impossible for Elohem in His pure abstract state of Divine Spirit only. Under no circumstances did Elohem ever experience evil in His pure, spiritual state. Under no circumstances did Elohem ever learn evil by experience in His pure, spiritual state. This would be incompatible with the Immutability of Elohem and His perfect knowledge and perfect inheritant holiness.
Elohem did Experience Evil and Learn by that Experience However, with the above in mind, may I suggest that Elohem did experience evil and learn by that experience. But, I must also stress that Elohem ONLY DID SO in union with Jesus Christ in His pre-creative state as the God Man. As the God Man, with both natures and beings in One perfect union, Christ’s knowledge is accumulative and not perfect and immutable. The Scriptures teach us that in Christ’s incarnate form He both grew physically and increased in knowledge and grace. Proverbs 8 shows us how that the Father instructed and taught Him in His pure spiritual, heavenly form before all creation. As a man, even the God man, Christ’s knowledge increased and He learned by or from that experience. Paul said: Heb 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; Christ Jesus, in His Sonship, not God the Eternal Word, has the ability to learn by experience. This means that He learned evil by experiencing it someway and somehow. I feel we can say that Christ’s suffering were an educational experience for Him in His Sonship. So to conclude this point and enlarge it in another Short Study, may I say that the entire Trinity, Elohem, because of their union with Christ Jesus the Mediatorial man, and only by that, experienced both good and evil, and that Christ did learn by this experience. Now the question is when did this happen?
Christ’s Learning by Experiencing Evil When did Christ experience evil? He did so in two ways, decretively and actually. Since Elohem knew evil before Adam did, it seems correct to say that Christ’s initial learning of evil was when our sins were imputed unto Him in a decretive manner and He stood slain before and from the foundation of the World. Before our Lord Jesus Christ became the Creator, the Medium and by Whom the Father created the kosmos, He already knew what was ahead for Him and He already had experienced by decree the sins of God’s elect being placed upon Him. By this decree Christ stood slain before and from the foundation of the world.
Christ Knew by Decretive Knowledge Before the world was Christ already knew by decretive knowledge what it was like to experience evil when the sins of God’s little children were placed upon HIm. I mean Christ received the sins of His people by imputation. The little children did not yet exist in their flesh and blood forms, and did not actually sin. However, they did so decretive and Christ experienced this just as surely as He did actually on the Cross. I do not mean that Christ suffered in His heavenly body at that time, for He suffered once in the end of the Hebrew World or age, when He died upon the Cross. Heb 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. Is it not safe to conclude that Elohem did know good and evil, by direct, personal experience rather than only by observation? The Holy Trinity did so by their Union with the Man, Christ Jesus in His Mediatorial form and works. They were able to do this because God the Word already was in a personal union with the Man Christ Jesus, and through this Personal Union, the entire Trinity experienced this by Trinitarian union rather than actual experience. 1 Tim. 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; John 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; 21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. 24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world. 25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me. 26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.
How did the Three Beings in Elohem Know Good and Evil, by Union with the God Man, or in Their Actual Beings?I will be enlarging this question in a different short study, the Lord willing. I will now state that the Three Divine Beings in Elohem experienced both good and evil, not in their actual beings, but by Union with the God-Man, Christ Jesus. This involves both God the Word’s personal union, the hypostatic union, with the man Christ Jesus, and the personal union of the Father in the Son, and the Son in the Father, with the Holy Sprit or the Trinitarian Union.
When did Elohem know Good and Evil?The entire Holy Trinity, Elohem, knew in a decretive manner good and evil before the creation of the world when the sins of God’s people were imputed to Christ and He stood as the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. Elohem said: Behold the man has become as one of us, to know good and evil… Next the Lord willing: Why Christ Did Become Incarnate, or Can Abstract Deity partake of both Good and Evil?

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