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Imputation study by Mr Pounds 3

Eternal Imputation 3
Why Christ Did Become Incarnate, or can Abstract Deity partake
of both Good and Evil?Gen.22 (3:23) And {1} God said, Behold, Adam is become as one of us, to know good and evil, and now lest at any time he stretch forth his hand, and take of the tree of life and eat, and so he shall live forever––{1) Alex. +the Lord} LXX.22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: AV.James 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:De 32:4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.Job 34:10 Therefore hearken unto me, ye men of understanding: far be it from God, that he should do wickedness; and from the Almighty, that he should commit iniquity.By Abstract Deity, I mean the Diving Beings without the Incarnation of the God-Man or the Word’s assumption of flesh and blood. In my opinion the Trinity of Deity, in their pure spiritual state, cannot sin or have sin either imputed or imparted unto them. Since this is ture, neither can the entire Trinity, in their upre and abstract spiritual state, make an atonement for sin or reconclile the Father little Children unto God.James 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.Since this is true, neither can the entire Trinity, in their pure and abstract spiritual state, make an atonement for sin or reconcile the Father’s little Children unto God.The Holy Trinity cannot actually bear sins in their pure spiritual state. Sin is primarily the fruit of the flesh. I know there are exceptions such as Lucifer, but I am speaking concerning mankind. Lucifer could sin, but not make atonement for his own sins. Men can and do sin, and make typical sacrifices to make a typical atonement for their sins.Elohem, denoting the Trinity of Divine Beings or Jehovah, in union with the God-Man, the Mediator, did know both good and evil before Adam and Eve did sin and by that, did know both good and evil.Elohem learned evil by the imputation of sin and iniquity unto the Mediator. The God-Man learned evil only in a decretive way before all creation when the sins of His people were imputed unto Him in decree. Adam and Eve learned evil by actual sin following creation.Elohem knew evil only through and by means of the union of Jehovah with the Mediator. God the Eternal Word, the Second Being in the Trinity, by the hypostatic union, did enable the Divine Beings in their pure spiritual state, to know good and evil. The Divine Trinity did not know evil in their Jehovah-like state, the Divine Nature considered without union with the Mediator, and they did not learn goodness. The reason they did not learn goodness is because they were already in possession of every good within their own Divine Natures and Beings and needed not to acquire further goodness.James 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.Our Lord Jesus Christ, considered in the totality of His complex person, Divine and Man, was able to become complete in His knolwledge by His obedience. Involved in this was His obedience unto the death of the Cross. He learned this two ways, by decree and then by actual fact. By learning this, through His union with the Divine Beings, They could say they knew both good and evil.The learning of Christ was and is only in His manhood, not in His Godhood. Christ’s learning obedience concerned ONLY His essential being as a Son.Heb 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;Php 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.Christ experienced the actual knowledge of good and evil as a Son after Mary fashioned Him into the form of His manhood. As a man He humbled Himself and suffered and died for His people on the Cross.Further proof that the Divine Beings in their pure and abstract spiritual state did not and could not have suffered for sins, and learned evil by the imputation of sin, is evidenced by the fact that Christ did this in His Sacred manhood and not in His deity. The only way that Christ experienced these in His Deity was by union with His humanity, not by actual being or fact.Christ shed His blood on the Cross in His sacred humanity. He offered a better, or heavenly sacrifice unto the Father than all the earthly sacrifices of the first covenant. He, by the hypostatic union, made atonement and ransomed the Church of God by the very blood of God.Acts 20:28, though denied a place in the Gnostic or Egyptian texts of Westcott and Hort, is a continuing testimony to the Hypostatic union between the Man Christ Jesus and God the eternal Word.Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers,to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.God has not blood except by the hypostatic union. The shedding of the Blood of God did occur decretively before and from the foundation of the world, and actually when Christ Jesus did die on the cross.In the New Testament Christ is said to have made the atonement:1. On the Cross;Eph 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:Heb 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.2. In His Own body prepared by God or in His flesh, the Father’s hidden manna;Heb 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:John 6:31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.41 The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven.42 And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?43 Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves.44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.48 I am that bread of life.49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.59 These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.Re 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.3. When He died;Ro 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.1Co 11:26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.Col 1:22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:2Ti 1:10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:Heb 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.Heb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;Heb 5:7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;Heb 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.Heb 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
And shed His own blood, the blood of God. Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.1Co 10:16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.Col 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.Heb 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?Heb 9:19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,Heb 9:20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.Heb 10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,Heb 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.The very blood of Jesus Christ is His own blood that He created while He was in the womb of the Virgin Mary, and at the same time by the Hypostatic Union with God the Eternal Word, is the very blood of God.Eph 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:I want to come to a conclusion by repeating an opening statement:Since this is true, neither can the entire Trinity, in their pure and abstract spiritual state, make an atonement for sin or reconcile the Father’s little Children unto God.The Holy Trinity cannot actually bear sins in their pure spiritual state. Sin is primarily the fruit of the flesh. I know there are exceptions such as Lucifer, but I am speaking concerning mankind. Lucifer could sin, but not make atonement for his own sins. Men can and do sin, and make typical sacrifices to make a typical atonement for their sins.The LXX and the KJV:6 All we as sheep have gone astray; every one has gone astray in his way; and the Lord gave him up for our sins.6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.7 And he, because of his affliction, opens not his mouth: {1} he was led as a sheep to the slaughter, and as a lamb before the shearer is dumb, so he opens not his mouth. {1) Gr. Ac 8:32, 33}7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.8 In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken away from the earth: because of the iniquities of my people he was led to death.8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.9 And I will give the wicked for his burial, and the rich for his death; {1} for he practised no iniquity, nor craft with his mouth. {1) 1 Pe 2:22}9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.10 The Lord also is pleased to purge him from his stroke. If ye can give an offering for sin, your soul shall see a long–lived seed:10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.11 the Lord also is pleased to take away from the travail of his soul, to shew him light, and to form him with understanding; to justify the just one who serves many well; and he shall bear their sins.11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.12 Therefore he shall inherit many, and he shall divide the spoils of the mighty; because his soul was delivered to death: and {1} he was numbered among the transgressors; and he bore the sins of many, and was delivered because of their iniquities. {1) Mk 15:28}12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.The LXX alone:Isa. 53:6 All we as sheep have gone astray; every one has gone astray in his way; and the Lord gave him up for our sins.7 And he, because of his affliction, opens not his mouth: {1} he was led as a sheep to the slaughter, and as a lamb before the shearer is dumb, so he opens not his mouth. {1) Gr. Ac 8:32, 33}8 In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken away from the earth: because of the iniquities of my people he was led to death.9 And I will give the wicked for his burial, and the rich for his death; {1} for he practised no iniquity, nor craft with his mouth. {1) 1 Pe 2:22}10 The Lord also is pleased to purge him from his stroke. If ye can give an offering for sin, your soul shall see a long–lived seed:11 the Lord also is pleased to take away from the travail of his soul, to shew him light, and to form him with understanding; to justify the just one who serves many well; and he shall bear their sins.12 Therefore he shall inherit many, and he shall divide the spoils of the mighty; because his soul was delivered to death: and {1} he was numbered among the transgressors; and he bore the sins of many, and was delivered because of their iniquities. {1) Mk 15:28} LXXFrom the LXX Interlinear:Isaiah 53:11And the lord willed by his hand to remove misery of his soul, to show to him light, and to shape in the understanding; to justify the just one, the good one serving many, and their sins he shall bear].53:12 On account of this he shall inherit many; of the strong ones he will portion out spoils, because [was delivered up unto death his soul]; and among to the lawless ones he was considered]; and he himself [the sins of many bore], and because of their lawless deeds he was delivered up.Special thanks to Brother David H. our webmaster, for providing this special LXX-Interlinear

Imputation study by Mr Pounds 2

Eternal Double Imputation, 2 A Short Study When did Elohem Partake of Both Good and Evil? Gen.22 (3:23) And {1} God said, Behold, Adam is become as one of us, to know good and evil, and now lest at any time he stretch forth his hand, and take of the tree of life and eat, and so he shall live forever––{1) Alex. +the Lord} LXX.22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: AV.After the fall of Adam and Eve, the Lord God drove them out of the Garden and set up the Cherubs and the flaming sword to preserve the way unto the Tree of Life. Before doing this Elohem stated that Adam, after sinning had become as the Beings in Elohem, the Holy Trinity, knowing good and evil. I would highly recommend S E Pierce’s Messages on the Pentateuch for a very good summation of these events. These can be found on Brother Leroy Rhodes’ church site. The statements show that Elohem did know both good and evil. Important questions may be:
How did Elohem know good and evil, by direct, personal experience or by observation?
How did the Three Beings in Elohem know good and evil, by union with the God Man, or in their actual Beings?
When did Elohem know good and evil? I will invert these questions and suggest some answers. I hope the dear ministering brethren will help me with these questions and answers.
When did Elohem know good and evil? In our generation observations it seems obvious that Elohem did know both good and evil before Adam did. By sinning, Adam knew both good and evil by experience. He certainly knew good while in the innocent state and he certainly knew evil by his actual sin against God. I do not find revealed in Genesis when Elohem did experience any act that would result in His knowing good and evil by experience. However, there are other statements throughout the Sacred Scriptures that can help in this matter.
The Fall of Lucifer Is there any way that Elohem did experience knowing good and evil by the fall of Lucifer? While this event did involve Elohem’s actions in casting down Lucifer, Elohem did not undergo any experimental knowledge of good and evil by this event. The same is true of Elohem’s dealings with the angels who kept not their first estate and other such falls in the spiritual world. The Slaying of the Lamb of God In my opinion when Jesus Christ, as the Lamb of God, became slain by decree and in a decreed experience, that is when Elohem came to know both Good and Evil. What I have just said opens the doors to many involved question. I must wait to deal with some of those questions until my final study on this subject.
Distinguishing between Elohem’s Inheritant Divine Knowledge and His Accumulative KnowledgeInvolved here is Elohem’s inheritant knowledge arising from His divine nature, which is perfect, complete and not accumulative. By this I mean that Elohem experienced both good and evil in a knowledge and experience not inheritant from His divine nature. By this knowledge and experience He came to know both good and evil. I will say this briefly and pass on until later, this knowledge is impossible for Elohem in His pure abstract state of Divine Spirit only. Under no circumstances did Elohem ever experience evil in His pure, spiritual state. Under no circumstances did Elohem ever learn evil by experience in His pure, spiritual state. This would be incompatible with the Immutability of Elohem and His perfect knowledge and perfect inheritant holiness.
Elohem did Experience Evil and Learn by that Experience However, with the above in mind, may I suggest that Elohem did experience evil and learn by that experience. But, I must also stress that Elohem ONLY DID SO in union with Jesus Christ in His pre-creative state as the God Man. As the God Man, with both natures and beings in One perfect union, Christ’s knowledge is accumulative and not perfect and immutable. The Scriptures teach us that in Christ’s incarnate form He both grew physically and increased in knowledge and grace. Proverbs 8 shows us how that the Father instructed and taught Him in His pure spiritual, heavenly form before all creation. As a man, even the God man, Christ’s knowledge increased and He learned by or from that experience. Paul said: Heb 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; Christ Jesus, in His Sonship, not God the Eternal Word, has the ability to learn by experience. This means that He learned evil by experiencing it someway and somehow. I feel we can say that Christ’s suffering were an educational experience for Him in His Sonship. So to conclude this point and enlarge it in another Short Study, may I say that the entire Trinity, Elohem, because of their union with Christ Jesus the Mediatorial man, and only by that, experienced both good and evil, and that Christ did learn by this experience. Now the question is when did this happen?
Christ’s Learning by Experiencing Evil When did Christ experience evil? He did so in two ways, decretively and actually. Since Elohem knew evil before Adam did, it seems correct to say that Christ’s initial learning of evil was when our sins were imputed unto Him in a decretive manner and He stood slain before and from the foundation of the World. Before our Lord Jesus Christ became the Creator, the Medium and by Whom the Father created the kosmos, He already knew what was ahead for Him and He already had experienced by decree the sins of God’s elect being placed upon Him. By this decree Christ stood slain before and from the foundation of the world.
Christ Knew by Decretive Knowledge Before the world was Christ already knew by decretive knowledge what it was like to experience evil when the sins of God’s little children were placed upon HIm. I mean Christ received the sins of His people by imputation. The little children did not yet exist in their flesh and blood forms, and did not actually sin. However, they did so decretive and Christ experienced this just as surely as He did actually on the Cross. I do not mean that Christ suffered in His heavenly body at that time, for He suffered once in the end of the Hebrew World or age, when He died upon the Cross. Heb 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. Is it not safe to conclude that Elohem did know good and evil, by direct, personal experience rather than only by observation? The Holy Trinity did so by their Union with the Man, Christ Jesus in His Mediatorial form and works. They were able to do this because God the Word already was in a personal union with the Man Christ Jesus, and through this Personal Union, the entire Trinity experienced this by Trinitarian union rather than actual experience. 1 Tim. 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; John 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; 21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. 24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world. 25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me. 26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.
How did the Three Beings in Elohem Know Good and Evil, by Union with the God Man, or in Their Actual Beings?I will be enlarging this question in a different short study, the Lord willing. I will now state that the Three Divine Beings in Elohem experienced both good and evil, not in their actual beings, but by Union with the God-Man, Christ Jesus. This involves both God the Word’s personal union, the hypostatic union, with the man Christ Jesus, and the personal union of the Father in the Son, and the Son in the Father, with the Holy Sprit or the Trinitarian Union.
When did Elohem know Good and Evil?The entire Holy Trinity, Elohem, knew in a decretive manner good and evil before the creation of the world when the sins of God’s people were imputed to Christ and He stood as the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. Elohem said: Behold the man has become as one of us, to know good and evil… Next the Lord willing: Why Christ Did Become Incarnate, or Can Abstract Deity partake of both Good and Evil?

Imputation study by Mr Pounds

ETERNAL, DOUBLE IMPUTATION No. 1 Definition of Terms Introduction, involved in the concept of eternal justification we find several related doctrines. I do not like the name eternal justification because it seems to limit the subject, and would much rather use the terms eternal, double imputation. Yet, I realize that this does not even convey the grand and innumerable glories of Jesus Christ as the Mediator in His actions for His Brothers and Sisters before all creation. Perhaps the best title for these doctrines that I know about would be Decreed, Eternal, Double Imputation. Let me define my terms:
By Decreed, I mean the purpose of God to impute and arising from imputing, to justify God’s little children, first in a decreed manner, not an actual manner; this decreed manner occurred before all creation, before the world began; the actual manner occurred on the Christ, the evidential manner occur in our minds when we receive the knowledge of our salvation by the remission of our sins;
By Eternal, I mean God’s actions done in pre-creative eternity, I do not mean eternal as we speak of God as an eternal Being;
By Double Imputation, I mean the Imputation of the sins of the elect unto Christ, and the righteousness of Christ to them. I do not believe the Scriptures to teach single imputation of the Righteousness of Christ to the elect without the imputation of their sins to Him first. Paul said: 2 Cor. 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. The first act in Double Imputation is God the Father’s making Christ to be Sin For Us. I would also suggest that arising from Christ’s being our Sin Offering and our Scape Goat, we receive, or have imputed unto us, His very own righteousness. These are both sure and certain. Let me now state that I do not believe that Christ received our sins by impartation, or that He had Mary’s fallen and sinful nature, or that we receive Christ’s righteousness by impartation, but only by imputation. We partake of Christ and His Divine Nature by Union, and His Righteousness only by impartation.The Scriptures teach us that Christ was indeed made sin for us. The Holy Trinity made Christ to be sins for us two ways. First decretively, He stood before all creation as the Lamb Slain from the Foundation of the World. Secondly, actually when He died on the Cross and shed His Blood and secured our Actual Justification. On the Cross the Holy Trinity met with the elected family of God in Christ, their first such meeting since they fell in Adam and were thereby lost. What about those elect who were not alive when Christ died, and have been born following Christ’s death, were they actually justified by Christ on the Cross? Yes, justification is before God in this sense. Also, what about their meeting with the Holy Trinity in the Lord Jesus Christ when He died on the Cross? Yes by their union and standing in the Lord Jesus Christ from all eternity. I really do mean that the entire Trinity were in Christ when He died on the Cross, not by actual Being, but by Eternal and Trinitarian union. Jesus often said that He was in the Father and the Father was in Him. While He was on this earth, He was also in Heaven. But to return to double Imputation, let me note that Christ did die in a decretive manner before the foundation of the world, and in an actual manner on the Cross. I would ask what slew Christ decretively before and from the foundation of the World? Did not our sins slay Christ from and before the foundation of the world in a decretively manner? In my opinion YES. How can this be? The key here is understanding the Decrees of God and the certain fulfillment of those decrees. The Scriptures teach us that God often speaks of these things that are not yet, as though they were. There is no time zone with God. He is the eternal I AM, hence He spoke first in His decrees and then these decrees were manifested in this present evil world as they became worked out. The issue here with some may be, are God’s decrees certain? In my opinion all that God has decreed, and that is all inclusive though not the same way for all things, some to cause and some to permit, are all sure and certain and a part of His all inclusive decrees. I do not want to overload this glorious subject with too much in each of these short studies, so I shall conclude this first one now and hope to follow with the following:
When did Elohem partake of both Good and Evil?
Why Christ Did Become Incarnate, or can Abstract Deity partake of both Good and Evil?
The Absolute and Immutable Certainty of Double Imputation.
Christ’s Pre-Creative Actions to Justify the elect in Pre-Creative Eternity.
What did Christ Receive in Pre-Creative Eternity, the elect only, or the elect and their sins, or their sins only? In parting I want to ask this question as food for thought, If Christ received both the elect and their sins in pre-creative union, does this mean would be anything uncertain about the existence of the elect and their sins, or the Existence of the Incarnate Christ and His righteousness. I trust this subject of the Antiquity of Christ and His works as the eternal God-Man and Mediator, will continue to open up and enlarge further as we study together, Ron.